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without seeing all the framing, I can't say if there was a good reason not to run the i-joists...
Posted by: Pablo (699) on 2014-12-13 16:45:12 In Reply to: I don't have the answer to that, except to guess that since the architect spec'd the LVL's... posted by 5speed6 v.3 on 2014-12-13 15:35:57	Share \| Report

the other way, but it doesn't seem well thought out.

At very least, looking at your pic, it seems a lot of those columns could be eliminated. Why two columns per beam, for one and for two, why is that first beam needed at all (the one furthest away in the pic)? The i-joists should be able to handle bigger spans than that.

Like I said, i have i-joists over my garage and they're spanning 23' or so. The main house is 36' deep with a steel beam in the middle. So the i-joists span 18' or so.

Thread:

Very upset! Just discovered I have columns in my garage. Paging MARK, thinset, irish21... - 5speed6 v.3 2014-12-13 01:29:23 (1411 views)
- The latest update... - 5speed6 v.3 2015-01-03 00:02:59 (932 views)
- If bolted flitch plates can't be used you'll have to do steel I-beam. - s.carder 2014-12-17 19:43:14 (899 views)
- You have a 10' wide room above that garage? - Fusilier 2014-12-15 16:05:49 (984 views)
  - Yes, and the architect spec on the plan is to double up the joists in that area... - 5speed6 v.3 2014-12-15 19:43:19 (966 views)
  - BTW - Fusilier 2014-12-15 18:22:06 (956 views)
- awesome!. exposed structural red iron. Very modern. - Fusilier 2014-12-15 15:40:56 (986 views)
  - and install a trolley. - Pablo 2014-12-15 15:50:04 (1035 views)
    - lemonade from lemons - Coloradomark 2014-12-15 15:53:34 (931 views)
      - Its a stripper pole for a BBW stripper. :-) - Fusilier 2014-12-15 15:59:58 (927 views)
- So when do we get an update? - Pablo 2014-12-15 09:32:17 (940 views)
  - On my way to meet with the foreman now... - 5speed6 v.3 2014-12-15 14:03:17 (905 views)
    - Good luck. - MARK(nmtt)RS5 2014-12-15 17:33:52 (920 views)
      - Bummed, the garage door company cancelled and the foreman didn't want to make the trip in. - 5speed6 v.3 2014-12-15 19:45:57 (912 views)
- I = (bh^3)/12 , m = (wL^2)/8. Bending moment increase 4x when unsupported span length doubles - Scruffy 'The Janitor' 2014-12-14 00:52:28 (993 views)
- No help, but this is BS. One column, maybe, but that is a mess. - rattyfox 2014-12-13 18:07:39 (985 views)
- Not exactly. - Pablo 2014-12-13 16:48:34 (1145 views)
  - Similar. They both have an E of about 1,900,000 and similar Fb - Fusilier 2014-12-15 16:02:13 (950 views)
  - LVL is not exactly as a glulam and from what I've read the glulam can carry more load - TheLex 2014-12-13 21:36:37 (985 views)
    - The architects spec was for the (3) twenty two foot beams to be triple LVLs each 1-3/4" thick. - 5speed6 v.3 2014-12-13 22:31:38 (991 views)
      - if the architect spec'd out columns out and you signed off on it then the onus is on your if you  -  TheLex  2014-12-13 23:06:27 (998 views)
        
        I do place the fault of this with the builder...  -  5speed6 v.3  2014-12-13 23:51:02 (1007 views)
        
        With all due respect, it's not the builder's job to read your mind.  -  irish21  2014-12-14 00:20:15 (1053 views)
        
        Understandable. Please play devils advocate...   -  5speed6 v.3  2014-12-14 01:14:49 (1121 views)
        
        to me those are columns.  -  Fusilier  2014-12-15 15:59:01 (1025 views)
        
        ^^^careful on your idiot comments. Anyway those did look like columns to me back when he  -  MARK(nmtt)RS5  2014-12-15 17:06:36 (1006 views)
        
        Thank you for the input Mark. I hope the builder and I can come to an easy resolution...  -  5speed6 v.3  2014-12-15 22:38:04 (935 views)
        
        Seriously. Arrogant much?   -  irish21  2014-12-15 17:50:37 (942 views)
        
        well seems to me an architect was trying to do structure which is what got him here  -  Fusilier  2014-12-15 18:15:43 (979 views)
        
        The architect was working for the builder.  -  irish21  2014-12-15 19:58:30 (943 views)
        
        cause your irish   -  Fusilier  2014-12-16 10:16:41 (927 views)
        
        LOL, I'm not actually.  -  irish21  2014-12-16 10:25:46 (926 views)
        
        if shes a ginger you certainly do.   -  Fusilier  2014-12-16 11:28:04 (914 views)
        
        The one thing that bothers/amazes me...  -  5speed6  2014-12-15 22:44:21 (987 views)
        
        I really can't stress this enough....you did not hire an architect. The builder did.  -  irish21  2014-12-16 10:22:10 (966 views)
        
        Yes I would agree with that. putting my architect hat on.  -  Fusilier  2014-12-16 10:16:10 (956 views)
        
        The builder can just use the columns on his next project, he won't be eating a cost on the steel.  -  irish21  2014-12-16 10:32:29 (965 views)
        
        Yeah, I think the builder should eat all costs on the steel.  -  Fusilier  2014-12-16 11:30:12 (944 views)
        
        Would the steel be i-beams or could you just sandwich the existing beam with...  -  Pablo  2014-12-16 13:54:56 (920 views)
        
        I would not remove the current 12" beam  -  Fusilier  2014-12-30 03:33:07 (919 views)
        
        As of yet, there are no drains. The next step on the schedule I saw is for plumbing rough-in...  -  5speed6 v.3  2014-12-16 11:12:58 (970 views)
        
        Drains in the slab?  -  Fusilier  2014-12-16 11:31:58 (936 views)
        
        To be added to in the ground/stones before the poured concrete. Not on a placed slab.   -  5speed6 v.3  2014-12-16 17:50:28 (953 views)
        
        Does the builder have a project manager or other office type you can communicate with?  -  irish21  2014-12-16 11:19:18 (981 views)
        
        Yes, the builder has an office manager that I communicate with quite frequently...  -  5speed6 v.3  2014-12-16 17:31:17 (936 views)
        
        Agree. Seems to me you would already see something since it had to be done with other  -  MARK(nmtt)RS5  2014-12-16 14:30:55 (933 views)
        
        I just sent off the email now. Thanks.   -  5speed6 v.3  2014-12-16 18:00:38 (895 views)
        
        Yes.   -  Pablo  2014-12-15 23:27:57 (930 views)
        
        Question: In the main part of the house, over the family room, living room, etc...  -  Pablo  2014-12-15 15:21:02 (940 views)
        
        The joists run in the same direction.   -  5speed6 v.3  2014-12-15 22:01:45 (899 views)
        
        Then why is that span ok in there? (is my point)   -  Pablo  2014-12-15 23:27:36 (920 views)
        
        I read drawings all the time and I would say I would not know those are posts  -  PaulW  2014-12-15 11:59:20 (1039 views)
        
        Simply put, you should have asked about anything you were unclear on.  -  irish21  2014-12-14 15:22:46 (976 views)
        
        this.   -  thinset  2014-12-15 11:58:58 (909 views)
        
        x2   -  MARK(nmtt)RS5  2014-12-28 01:14:14 (906 views)
        
        As far as being "unclear", if it wasn't for the fact (& coincidence) that I had requested ...  -  5speed6 v.3  2014-12-15 22:52:32 (939 views)
        
        No harm in contacting the architect, CALMLY explaining the situation and requesting a resolution...  -  thinset  2014-12-16 00:05:18 (940 views)
        
        If he doesn't have a contract with the architect, he'll need to work through the builder, I'd think.  -  irish21  2014-12-16 11:04:30 (932 views)
        
        There has to be another drawing or note.  -  30V-6  2014-12-14 11:03:39 (968 views)
        
        There is one more page to the plans which has the technical specifications....  -  5speed6 v.3  2014-12-14 13:34:24 (986 views)
        
        It wouldn't be unheard of for the framers to do some improvisation.  -  Pablo  2014-12-14 11:49:23 (946 views)
        
        oh boy - this is why lawyers make so much money. IMO in court you would have to produce evidence  -  TheLex  2014-12-14 01:49:04 (984 views)
        
        In my experience if this was not clearly discussed with your builder and signed off on, your builder  -  TheLex  2014-12-14 00:19:56 (991 views)
        
        Oh, I'm aware of the change-order cash machine for the builder (as you have made us...  -  5speed6 v.3  2014-12-14 00:48:25 (975 views)
        
        so long as you understand that this will be on your bill, try to get the builder on your side   -  TheLex  2014-12-14 00:53:55 (1028 views)
        
        well, that's something I'm not happy about and is the issue here....  -  5speed6 v.3  2014-12-14 00:56:05 (988 views)
  - should be a reply to TheLex. - Pablo 2014-12-13 17:16:06 (943 views)
- Microlam is a glulam is it not? That's what the builder used. But he added the vertical - TheLex 2014-12-13 13:15:57 (1078 views)
  - Microlam is the brand name for a LVL product. - 5speed6 v.3 2014-12-13 21:37:52 (947 views)
- I would sister two thin steel beams on either side of each existing 'power beam'. Tie steel and - freakness 2014-12-13 11:15:01 (1032 views)
  - I definitely agree with you about sloppy initial design by the architect... - 5speed6 v.3 2014-12-13 15:30:41 (982 views)
- You'll need to hire a structural engineer, but it's certainly doable. - irish21 2014-12-13 11:06:45 (1055 views)
  - One other possibility was mentioned to me by the foreman... - 5speed6 v.3 2014-12-13 22:47:29 (1033 views)
    - No no no - Fusilier 2014-12-15 15:47:04 (956 views)
    - Short answer: it depends on the architect. - irish21 2014-12-14 00:14:34 (1018 views)
      - Hypothetical question for curiousity...  -  5speed6 v.3  2014-12-14 02:35:41 (995 views)
        
        I would make sure that I had that discussion with my client.  -  irish21  2014-12-14 15:14:39 (984 views)
        
        Yes, you are correct...  -  5speed6 v.3  2014-12-14 20:48:58 (947 views)
- Our old house had a similar sized garage. It had one column near the 2/3rds point. - 30V-6 2014-12-13 11:04:23 (961 views)
  - The builder "upgraded" with the use of these PowerBeams in the basement... - 5speed6 v.3 2014-12-13 15:34:13 (972 views)
- First, why did they run the joists in that direction? - Pablo 2014-12-13 09:25:27 (1032 views)
  - I don't have the answer to that, except to guess that since the architect spec'd the LVL's... - 5speed6 v.3 2014-12-13 15:35:57 (990 views)
    - with the columns, the joists being turned makes sense. - Fusilier 2014-12-15 15:43:30 (929 views)
    - without seeing all the framing, I can't say if there was a good reason not to run the i-joists... - Pablo 2014-12-13 16:45:12 (969 views)
      - The first beam (the one furthest away in the pic) has the least amount of support... - 5speed6 v.3 2014-12-13 22:57:59 (954 views)
- i think you would need to replace the beams with steel and use steel columns to support each end. - ModifiedA4 2014-12-13 08:53:40 (938 views)

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