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yes, ABS on the track.
Posted by: nyet (2) on 2016-08-09 16:28:31 \| Moderator In Reply to: On the track? posted by EddieWillers on 2016-08-09 16:27:43	Share \| Report

Also, you should care.

Good car handling skills aren't just about racing.

If you truly care about safety, you'd go to a few HPDEs.

Standard drivers ed is utterly useless; its primary goal is to teach you laws, not how to drive properly.

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Guide to swap ESP-ABS unit out for a non-ESP-ABS unit? - FrenchToast 2016-08-08 13:18:37 (699 views)
- updated summary chart - nyet 2016-08-10 19:50:03 (249 views)
  - Does disconnecting the yaw sensor disable ESP? - FrenchToast 2016-08-10 23:27:32 (233 views)
    - I removed it because I couldn't find any reliable info that it works. - nyet 2016-08-11 01:39:33 (257 views)
- BTW if you go the full swap route, I'd love to get details on what you had to do to get it working - nyet 2016-08-09 17:12:34 (240 views)
- Why in the world would you do this? - EddieWillers 2016-08-08 17:12:40 (263 views)
  - I dislike ESP. - FrenchToast 2016-08-08 21:54:00 (250 views)
    - You dislike a safety feature? - EddieWillers 2016-08-09 08:37:40 (266 views)
      - Also, keep in mind that ESP was calibrated for cars with stock power - nyet 2016-08-09 14:00:26 (360 views)
      - ESP has 5 components  -  nyet  2016-08-09 13:57:32 (289 views)
        
        What exactly was added for the second MY when cars came with "ESP"?  -  FrenchToast  2016-08-22 05:53:29 (309 views)
        
        The 2000 S4 did not have any ASR capability.  -  EddieWillers  2016-08-09 16:08:33 (277 views)
        
        I think the A4s and Passats you mention are FWD.  -  FrenchToast  2016-08-09 16:49:40 (246 views)
        
        AFAIK non-ESP is ABS only.  -  nyet  2016-08-09 15:26:22 (265 views)
        
        I'm pretty sure the A unit had EDL  -  EddieWillers  2016-08-09 16:23:31 (261 views)
        
        BTW do you think EBD includes brake biasing only (F:R) or also per wheel braking?  -  nyet  2016-08-09 17:34:07 (250 views)
        
        This is my understanding  -  FrenchToast  2016-08-09 19:03:32 (273 views)
        
        I understand EDL for accel  -  nyet  2016-08-09 19:25:26 (264 views)
        
        I would guess either EBD or ABS. I don't think it is part of EDL.  -  FrenchToast  2016-08-09 19:29:18 (248 views)
        
        I think all Audis 1996+, ESP or not, have EDL.  -  FrenchToast  2016-08-09 16:47:44 (266 views)
        
        yea. I really could use some help fleshing out the question marks in the ESP article.  -  nyet  2016-08-09 17:11:50 (264 views)
        
        I think I've written all I know about it.  -  FrenchToast  2016-08-09 19:37:13 (243 views)
      - you don't want to lose ABS on the track either.  -  nyet  2016-08-09 13:53:39 (273 views)
        
        You really want the Bosch system/OEM brake system, gone all together.  -  ScratchRob13  2016-08-09 22:21:22 (261 views)
        
        This was my understanding.  -  EddieWillers  2016-08-10 17:49:57 (248 views)
        
        FWIW, and funnily enough,  -  FrenchToast  2016-08-10 23:23:55 (250 views)
        
        What?  -  nyet  2016-08-10 17:52:08 (319 views)
        
        I know of a few, but they are full race car builds. Which is what I was alluding to.  -  ScratchRob13  2016-08-10 19:46:20 (248 views)
        
        I can count the number of dedicated track (not dragstrip) b5s4's ive seen on one hand  -  nyet  2016-08-10 19:48:45 (241 views)
        
        Yup... and it's the reason I bought a miata... way easier to track!  -  ScratchRob13  2016-08-10 21:45:29 (232 views)
      - Respectfully, I happen to disagree with ESP being a "safety feature."  -  FrenchToast  2016-08-09 11:52:40 (276 views)
        
        X2 Snow for sure first thing that gets turned off on all my cars is ESP/TC  -  NOTORIOUS VR  2016-08-12 10:06:52 (206 views)
        
        I would certainly want my family to have it on any car they were driving.  -  EddieWillers  2016-08-09 16:03:13 (293 views)
        
        That makes zero sense  -  nyet  2016-08-09 16:08:47 (297 views)
        
        Because he wants to keep abs.  -  EddieWillers  2016-08-09 16:26:10 (250 views)
        
        or...  -  nyet  2016-08-09 16:32:21 (274 views)
        
        In that case I totally agree with you  -  EddieWillers  2016-08-09 17:18:10 (284 views)
        
        Unfortunatley, a lot of the stuff in the s4wiki is anecdotal  -  nyet  2016-08-09 17:20:10 (251 views)
  - was a popular mod when the s4 came out with ESP - nyet 2016-08-08 18:02:05 (314 views)
    - Fair enough. My c5 vette has a traction control disable option. Then a secret competitive driving - EddieWillers 2016-08-09 16:06:14 (268 views)
      - ABS has saved my ass a ton of times... i would not want it off.  -  nyet  2016-08-09 16:12:47 (257 views)
        
        On the track?  -  EddieWillers  2016-08-09 16:27:43 (251 views)
        
        Most don't like old ABS pumps that the pulses were very wide. Loses ability to recover once lockup.  -  ScratchRob13  2016-08-09 22:23:58 (240 views)
        
        Pro motorsports have for a long time used purpose-designed ABS systems.  -  FrenchToast  2016-08-09 19:48:14 (271 views)
        
        yes, ABS on the track.  -  nyet  2016-08-09 16:28:31 (264 views)
        
        Grew up karting  -  EddieWillers  2016-08-09 17:24:50 (279 views)
        
        You probably do - karting is you and the car(t). No computers, etc.  -  FrenchToast  2016-08-09 20:01:40 (253 views)
- Yes, but what is your end goal? If it is to disable esp - nyet 2016-08-08 14:37:47 (365 views)
  - is disabling ESP in the ECU same as "disable ASR" in the s4 wiki? - S4gasm (LotR) 2016-08-09 15:28:49 (265 views)
    - no, ESP is (collectively) 5 things. ASR is one of the 5 - nyet 2016-08-09 15:34:31 (259 views)
      - looks like i'll be doing both methods hah - S4gasm (LotR) 2016-08-09 15:52:59 (250 views)
        
        There are still a ton of question marks on that page - nyet 2016-08-09 16:00:20 (276 views)
  - To permanently disable ESP, yes. - FrenchToast 2016-08-08 21:52:57 (308 views)
    - yep. - nyet 2016-08-08 22:36:19 (247 views)
      - Am I missing something? Isn't there a button on the dash to turn the esp off?  -  EddieWillers  2016-08-09 08:39:24 (273 views)
        
        ..   -  nyet  2016-08-09 13:55:42 (263 views)
        
        ESP isn't ever 100% off, the button just greatly widens the parameters   -  NOTORIOUS VR  2016-08-09 09:19:22 (282 views)

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