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BMW answers Audi's new ad.   -  ESFO  2010-02-22 14:51:37 (938 views) Here in Seattle we're a very progressive market...here's what I see all the time.  -  BenM@UniversityAudi  2010-02-23 22:25:40 (344 views) Atleast BMW didnt pull their support for a car Corral at Sebring this year   -  gtreng  2010-02-23 21:18:49 (157 views) What about cost per mile?  -  BenM@UniversityAudi  2010-02-23 12:04:36 (354 views) With the exception of runflats being more expensive to replace, your points are all false.  -  Sia Bani  2010-02-23 16:29:35 (310 views) bah, you just listed gas mileages for RWD cars. I'm sticking to AWD here, sorry.  -  BenM@UniversityAudi  2010-02-23 21:13:53 (242 views) Final thoughts about the *brands* we're comparing in this thread, not just b8s4.  -  Sia Bani  2010-02-24 00:16:59 (217 views) fair enough, and it's not hate.  -  BenM@UniversityAudi  2010-02-24 10:30:14 (192 views) Smells like a little hate stirred with Audi fanatacism.  -  ESFO  2010-02-24 11:42:30 (180 views) Yeah I definitely said the word hate a lot...  -  BenM@UniversityAudi  2010-02-24 12:10:04 (199 views) You don't have to say the word even once to give evidence that the emotion exists...  -  ESFO  2010-02-24 13:03:44 (191 views) you make some very fair points.  -  BenM@UniversityAudi  2010-02-24 14:16:33 (201 views) as a current owner of a B8S4 I'd like to make a comment  -  dgibbs  2010-02-24 15:02:25 (220 views) *cough* inline *cough*  -  shaddai  2010-02-25 14:18:23 (156 views) I don't know...it's pretty dang quiet though, I agree.  -  BenM@UniversityAudi  2010-02-24 15:29:40 (184 views) stasis exhausts   -  dgibbs  2010-02-24 15:36:44 (153 views) in my experience, runflats wear quicker  -  shaddai  2010-02-23 17:07:09 (184 views) What year, transmission? Did you actually calculate mpg manually too?  -  Sia Bani  2010-02-23 17:09:57 (165 views) calculated via onboard, 6MT  -  shaddai  2010-02-23 17:33:59 (162 views) Ya, so on board isn't the most accurate.  -  Sia Bani  2010-02-23 17:43:25 (160 views) Curious why we are talking about the NEW BMW ad, and referencing B6/7 S4's?   -  NWS4Guy  2010-02-23 17:28:10 (162 views) More empirical data? :)  -  Sia Bani  2010-02-23 17:38:43 (160 views) Well my mileage since purchase is linked in my sig, I drive 80% stop and go/city so....not super yet  -  NWS4Guy  2010-02-23 19:41:53 (156 views) I think most cars kill injectors when coasting in gear right? Good to hear about 19mpg for stop and  -  Sia Bani  2010-02-23 20:34:47 (158 views) Mine is a DSG: 80 MPH ~2,400 RPM, 60 MPH ~1,900 RPM if I recall correctly   -  NWS4Guy  2010-02-24 16:12:24 (140 views) 3k RPM @ 80MPH in top gear (6th)  -  dgibbs  2010-02-24 16:31:30 (153 views) Double checked and the DSG numbers above are acurate to within 50RPM   -  NWS4Guy  2010-02-24 19:42:37 (151 views) Interesting. That's a bit of difference between DSG and manual (if dgibbs is 6mt)  -  Sia Bani  2010-02-24 20:19:17 (141 views) DSG is 7 speed.   -  rktskicar  2010-02-24 20:22:54 (139 views) Yes, and I measured both in 7th gear (obviously)   -  NWS4Guy  2010-02-24 20:29:54 (153 views) Cool. What's the stated difference in mpg on the sticker between 6mt and DSG?   -  Sia Bani  2010-02-24 21:22:16 (142 views) Both are 19 city, 6MT is 28 Hwy, DSG is 29 Hwy   -  NWS4Guy  2010-02-24 22:44:25 (146 views) hmm...odd. The revs are in top gear are a good ways apart. You'd figure you'd get a bit more than 1  -  Sia Bani  2010-02-24 23:38:20 (148 views) Lou did a total highway trip and got about 400 miles on an tank I believe. That would be ~27.6MPG  -  NWS4Guy  2010-02-25 00:28:09 (135 views) errr, it is tough to drive the car at < 70 mph on the highway  -  dgibbs  2010-02-25 14:28:16 (138 views) Ok great. Would be interesting to know the diff.   -  Sia Bani  2010-02-25 00:32:20 (147 views) Uh, that's a completely useless comparison.   -  TwentyValve  2010-02-25 13:51:31 (144 views) Who are you to say if its useless to me or not? I want to know what the DSG pulls revving at 2400  -  Sia Bani  2010-02-25 20:14:10 (142 views) Because how that manifests itself as far as MPG is concerned is far less a factor than  -  TwentyValve  2010-02-25 20:18:12 (154 views) it's about averages. If the 6MT revs at 3k at the same speed, and the DSG at 2400, the DSG will get  -  Sia Bani  2010-02-25 20:34:57 (153 views) agreed about "everything else being equal"  -  TwentyValve  2010-02-26 13:40:41 (144 views) Yes, logging is most precise and people (hopefully) wouldn't fudge with the data. It's really not  -  Sia Bani  2010-02-26 14:03:38 (129 views) You're going to need a huge sample size to account for the various driving styles and conditions.  -  TwentyValve  2010-02-26 14:07:06 (155 views) n=100s on here will be fine. Again, variation isn't going to be too much. You'll have posts that  -  Sia Bani  2010-02-26 15:49:05 (139 views) downhill + wind + 3rd gear =   -  TwentyValve  2010-02-26 16:54:44 (178 views) It helps that I had a 335i for just over a year  -  shaddai  2010-02-23 17:41:04 (193 views) I've had mine for 3 yrs and hope my S4 will be as good!  -  DrGP  2010-02-23 19:05:31 (178 views) I'll have it for 3; looking to see if there's an Audi to jump back into before the lease is up,  -  Sia Bani  2010-02-23 17:45:21 (174 views) Good luck!   -  shaddai  2010-02-23 17:46:32 (151 views) if you buy any M car the inspection I & II are costly...  -  iconoclast  2010-02-23 15:41:50 (230 views) Audi just needs to step it up on scheduled maintenance  -  Zed  2010-02-23 15:20:20 (207 views) yeah and BMW charges 450 stinking dollars for a FOLD DOWN REAR SEAT, LOL.  -  BenM@UniversityAudi  2010-02-23 15:32:55 (220 views) ONLY on the SEDAN. Not the coupe  -  DrGP  2010-02-23 19:09:24 (173 views) I agree fully on the mirror thing  -  BenM@UniversityAudi  2010-02-23 21:17:42 (167 views) Especially because all it takes to have it is to have the right vag com code selected.  -  DrGP  2010-02-23 23:42:43 (161 views) and that's one of the reasons the 335 bases at $40k  -  Zed  2010-02-23 16:38:06 (189 views) it's that last line on there that would really make me cry the most  -  dgibbs  2010-02-23 13:23:32 (196 views) What if we own both? ;-)   -  silber  2010-02-23 17:20:20 (156 views) Competition like this is great for us consumers.   -  S4V8Racer  2010-02-23 10:58:57 (172 views) if only their competitive price dropping was as quick as their depreciation...  -  iconoclast  2010-02-23 15:42:44 (195 views) Absolutely. Not only for pricing but nothing like a little trash talking...  -  ESFO  2010-02-23 11:26:20 (198 views) 3rd. Problem, though, is that Audi doesn't really try to hard to compete in price haha.   -  Sia Bani  2010-02-23 11:41:57 (180 views) audi made the S4 better and reduced its price. 335is was made better and the $ is up 7000.00 msrp.   -  Lou  2010-02-23 16:58:20 (156 views) What is price?  -  Sia Bani  2010-02-23 17:06:43 (177 views) apples tp apples...the msrp of the 335i vs 335IS went up 7000.00 dollars USA  -  Lou  2010-02-23 19:08:51 (174 views) yes, mine was $54K, not an is, but was leased for $100/mo less than a $42k a5 with audi's rates at  -  Sia Bani  2010-02-24 10:35:30 (176 views) for me. i'd save 12000.00 because I buy mine outright each time. better than 100 per month.   -  Lou  2010-02-24 20:34:15 (161 views) On leases, negotiate the MSRP first, then take advantage of whatever rate/deal.  -  Sia Bani  2010-02-25 21:23:09 (162 views) It is less than 12K, depending on rate of return on investments. If your rate of return is higher..  -  rktskicar  2010-02-24 20:38:28 (168 views) consider, if you pay cash for the car, and borrow for investments.,the interest is a tax deductable.  -  Lou  2010-02-25 20:03:04 (163 views) maybe in Canada. Here in the states, you get no credit for interest, unless it is mortgage interest  -  rktskicar  2010-02-25 21:14:15 (162 views) Please stop throwing this $7K number everywhere..  -  hk007  2010-02-24 08:59:06 (187 views) i took the 7000 from this news storey. the 335is sits inbetween the 335 and m3 exactly for price.   -  Lou  2010-02-24 09:15:52 (172 views) Heck, when I ordered my E90 the price went up a few months later, then it went up again for MY 09  -  shaddai  2010-02-23 19:13:41 (175 views) More like competing in discounts and ridiculous lease rates.  -  BenM@UniversityAudi  2010-02-23 11:59:29 (249 views) Ridiculous or not, great for the consumer.   -  Sia Bani  2010-02-23 13:26:01 (193 views) A lower quality product is great for the consumer?  -  BenM@UniversityAudi  2010-02-23 13:41:49 (227 views) Lower quality of product? Really now? Let's not get carried away.  -  Sia Bani  2010-02-23 14:37:16 (218 views) It helps if you're not opposed to driving horribly ugly cars like the Z4 and 335i  -  TwentyValve  2010-02-23 15:14:01 (221 views) If you think the 335i COUPE is ugly, You probably are in the minority  -  DrGP  2010-02-23 19:14:23 (190 views) Go make me a video for why I deserve an R8. Hurry.  -  Sia Bani  2010-02-23 15:18:20 (221 views) I drove a friend's Z4M through some backroads in my home town and really hated it, honestly.  -  TwentyValve  2010-02-23 17:17:12 (229 views) It's fast & handles like its on rails. 333hp is big hp for track, still, esp at 3300. Miss it  -  Sia Bani  2010-02-23 18:09:21 (205 views) heh, yeah. the deals on those things were tough to beat.  -  TwentyValve  2010-02-23 18:44:19 (214 views) Wouldn't have traded it for anything at the time. Leases on that car a couple months prior were  -  Sia Bani  2010-02-24 11:20:11 (190 views) I would point more towards interior stuff  -  dgibbs  2010-02-23 14:57:50 (221 views) Well, for Audi's sake, they probably didn't. I can't imagine they'd want to do that to their brand  -  Sia Bani  2010-02-23 15:22:14 (222 views) well it is an Audi forum...  -  BenM@UniversityAudi  2010-02-23 14:52:58 (246 views) Agree with most of that; runflats have gotten better, but still meh. Agreed on interior.  -  Sia Bani  2010-02-23 15:17:46 (222 views) Well I think Ben is saying there should be some sort of limit/standards Audi/BMW/MBenz shouldn't  -  dgibbs  2010-02-23 13:32:08 (229 views) Thank the laawwd for capitalism. If BMW wants to compete on price, by all means...   -  Sia Bani  2010-02-23 14:39:03 (218 views) I like the 335i M-sport  -  Kenny  2010-02-22 20:27:59 (376 views) they're *STILL* doing 60 percent residuals? Good god.  -  BenM@UniversityAudi  2010-02-23 13:46:46 (320 views) ding! at the time, I could get it for $100 less than an a5 that cost 10k less  -  Sia Bani  2010-02-23 01:00:54 (287 views) So did I , BUT  -  DrGP  2010-02-22 20:33:37 (340 views) how so? we went over my numbers...they can be had for much less than what you got the 07 for.   -  Sia Bani  2010-02-23 01:00:00 (239 views) I did mean that the 335i would cost less than an S4  -  DrGP  2010-02-23 19:18:04 (237 views) nice. I'd like to see the warranty back, even though  -  DD (CA)  2010-02-22 20:14:34 (270 views) so audis angle is their car is better, and bwms angle is their car is ???cheaper??? hmm.   -  Lou  2010-02-22 17:52:23 (234 views) seems like if you dont have anything else bribe...  -  iconoclast  2010-02-23 07:04:27 (258 views) BMW no longer the Ultimate Driving Machine - now BMW is Joy  -  John J. Szobocsan  2010-02-22 18:20:49 (310 views) They have to give something for free to counter the time wasted driving loaners for HPFP's  -  NWS4Guy  2010-02-22 15:02:25 (347 views) ^^ speaks the truth ^^   -  shaddai  2010-02-22 20:00:49 (249 views) Is it you don't see any S4's or no B8 S4's?   -  rktskicar  2010-02-22 19:59:07 (274 views) Rarely any S4's, never any B8's. Though today on the way home I saw a NICE Daytona Grey RS4  -  NWS4Guy  2010-02-23 00:50:23 (310 views) I honestly like seeing only a couple of sets of LED DRL during my daily commute  -  dgibbs  2010-02-22 15:07:47 (341 views) I like seeing my money in my account even more. Audi better get with the program.   -  Exodus  2010-02-22 17:26:34 (284 views) There is a reason why many have gone with Audi over BMW even though it may cost more  -  dgibbs  2010-02-22 19:23:24 (333 views) When you are spending $50K + or - for a car  -  DrGP  2010-02-22 20:28:19 (358 views) b7 s4 was a dark point for audi. That model cost them many to bmw.   -  Lou  2010-02-23 09:08:51 (295 views) +1  -  hk007  2010-02-22 23:24:59 (327 views) 2nd. Over 50K, pick what you want. A couple of K no big deal.   -  rktskicar  2010-02-22 20:40:27 (319 views) /agree   -  NWS4Guy  2010-02-22 15:19:01 (327 views)

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